Episode Transcript
[00:00:02] Speaker A: Guys, before we start the show, can I ask you something? What's with the Gong show background?
[00:00:08] Speaker B: Well, Mike, actually Happy Easter. And I woke up this morning after watching that debate last night. And you know what? The game show, the Gong show came to mind because at the end of it, you know, we had the press, the mainstream press, and then we had the online press fighting and calling the police and getting dragged out.
The debate itself, you know, two debates were kind of very frenzied and. And all over the place. So the game show, remember. I don't know if you remember the game show, but the game show had the. The dance, the unknown comic, Gene Gene the Dancing machine. The dancing machine.
[00:00:48] Speaker A: I remember.
[00:00:49] Speaker B: So I was expecting. You know, I woke up and I was thinking to myself, God, at some point in that night, I thought the unknown comic and Gene Gene, the dancing machine were gonna show up on screen. And then at some point, we were hoping for a big gong to be hit and we would stop and actually refocus everyone to get focused on the plan and their platforms.
[00:01:10] Speaker A: Oh, thank you. Please hit that gong.
[00:01:12] Speaker B: Hit that gong.
[00:01:27] Speaker A: Just enough time for me to run around here and join you guys. Hi, how's it going? And thanks for joining us. This is the Canadian Real Polls podcast. My name is Mike, and of course, Paul and Shara. Hi again.
[00:01:40] Speaker B: Hey, Mike, how you doing?
[00:01:41] Speaker A: We had such fun last time. We thought we'd do it again. Thank you for bringing you and your entire bike gang with you today.
[00:01:48] Speaker B: A little more casual.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: It's so funny, the last time I showed up, I think I had skulls on my shirt. And it was pointed out to me by my wife that maybe I should tone down that look. Here I am in a dress shirt. Thanks for joining us. Don't forget to subscribe and tell a friend about it. And. And of course, even if you wanted to like or hate it, go. Go and do what you want. It's a. It's a free country. Last time we talked about our story and how we ended up here. Please go back and have a listen to that. Or. Or look at that. Because it's a great. It's really a cool story. In fact, I was thinking last night you might want to consider writing a book.
[00:02:28] Speaker B: Yeah, that'd be interesting. Yeah. Of course, now. Now we actually just put it on chat gbt and the book writes itself, but.
[00:02:35] Speaker A: Well, that's another conspiracy that this whole thing has been conspired by chat GPT.
But please go back and find that out. All we did was raise the question, sitting around as A group. Do you believe the polls? And then we, we took it to the public and all hell broke loose. Please follow that story closely. I'm sure it's not over, but we gathered again today because we, we are on the precipice of one of the most important times in, in the history of Canada. In my life, anyway.
[00:03:05] Speaker B: Oh, and mine too.
[00:03:07] Speaker A: And another thing came up that doesn't matter who you're voting for or what your political affiliations are, we can all agree upon.
[00:03:17] Speaker B: Yeah, for sure. Well, think about it, right? You have, you know, debate last night.
Messy debate.
[00:03:24] Speaker A: Yeah, it was, it was a circus.
[00:03:25] Speaker B: Not well prepared, not well put together.
Great platform. Right. It looked like. It looked like the candidates were actually on Star Trek. You know, I was waiting for Spock and, And, you know, everything to happen. It was beautiful. Whoever set it up, the platform was beautiful.
[00:03:42] Speaker A: Oh, yeah, no, you're right.
[00:03:43] Speaker B: The. The venue was beautiful, but everything else was really messy. So, you know, and not, not well put together and not a great, not a, not a great presentation for the country. And, and you kind of left you thinking a lot of things. You know, as you watch the media fight at the end, as you watch the scrum and the question period, it's like, wow, this is, this is getting super messy and not well put together. And so, you know, we have a decision. We're going to vote one way or the other or number of ways, but quite frankly, the impact of that vote will have a number of consequences. Yeah, yeah. So it impacts the west of Western Canada. It'll. It'll tie into tariffs with the US and quite frankly, it'll create the. Our future, whether, you know, and hopefully our sovereignty. Right, right. Yeah.
[00:04:38] Speaker A: Well, it's interesting because we talked about this a couple of days ago. In fact, I like the way that we engage the youth. Have you noticed recently around us we're saying things like, you got to look this up from 1984 and how it was done then, and engaging the youth around us to understand how historically we were presented the stories behind these parties. And maybe, Shari, you could even mention at the. What your thoughts are at the provincial level or at the federal level, are they doing a better job telling their stories?
[00:05:11] Speaker B: No, they are not doing their homework properly. They should do their homework properly to let people know what's their platform, what they are up to.
[00:05:22] Speaker A: Yeah, there's a lot of campaigning.
[00:05:24] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Well, remember what, you know, you and I can talk about a little bit. We came out of the. The era where there would be a book Remember John Craitin's red book? Yeah, yeah.
[00:05:34] Speaker A: You know, what did he say in the debate?
[00:05:36] Speaker B: You have to look at the book. Right. You know what I mean?
[00:05:39] Speaker A: He was telling, it was so funny. He was telling Canadians, you have to read my book.
[00:05:43] Speaker B: Look, don't.
[00:05:44] Speaker A: You will vote for me if you read my book. Which was a plan.
[00:05:48] Speaker B: Yeah. Oh, yeah. And we did some research and we found the book.
[00:05:51] Speaker A: Exactly.
[00:05:52] Speaker B: And we have that book right now.
[00:05:54] Speaker A: It's so funny and it's so simple.
I had an opport. This is the experience we had. We had one of the youth around us engaged in trying to find the red book. And, and of course we. We found it. Not we. They found it and going through it last night because I wanted to really kind of dig in and see how did they think at the time and what were they. It was the same kind of planning we could use today.
[00:06:20] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:06:21] Speaker A: It was laid out according to all of the issues of the day and some of the ones we didn't see yet, and how the money was going to be spent and where the money was going to come from.
[00:06:31] Speaker B: Right there, what he was going to cut to get there, what he was going to add. And, and it's interesting, you know, we were just talking about making a joke about writing a book.
[00:06:40] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:41] Speaker B: But, you know, and, and now those days, you know, I'm sure some of the viewers would have done this, but, you know, someone had to sit there, type it out. Right.
[00:06:50] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:06:50] Speaker B: They had to actually, you know, work on all the charts and graphs. Quite frankly, it was a lot more onerous, a lot more work to actually get it done today, quite frankly, to write a platform is fairly easy with the technology we have today. You put in your bullet points, you actually, you can do it audio or you can sit there and write it, but you start it off and then you let it run out.
[00:07:13] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:07:14] Speaker B: His book was 118 pages.
So somewhere someone thought through with him. They wrote a book, 118 pages of where the country was going at that time. Now, not even as critical a time as today, but still, every, every election is critical. But, but, you know, today is a very critical election that we're coming up to and we're going into it. You know, we're. It's ten days away.
[00:07:41] Speaker A: Yep.
[00:07:42] Speaker B: Ten days away.
[00:07:43] Speaker A: Yes. Wow, that's a startling number.
[00:07:45] Speaker B: Yeah. So, you know, 10 days away and.
[00:07:48] Speaker A: Not a single document of this, this kind?
[00:07:50] Speaker B: No. A plot, a costed platform?
[00:07:53] Speaker A: Well, no, and that's so funny that you, you use that phrase, costed platform. Because just last night, finally, I was like, oh, my God, Paul's right, because you're the guy who brought this up. We haven't really seen a platform or a book or, and we went to all of the parties to find out, you know, is there one singular document on each of these websites that makes any sense to us? No, there was nothing, absolutely nothing. I think Block CAA had something, but it was a scant overview, but it was a PDF, it was a summary, but nobody had it. And last night, finally on the national news on cbc, I noticed they were starting to rumble about this.
[00:08:32] Speaker B: Yeah, well, and, and, and so are we going to go through a whole. So think about this, put it in perspective for a minute. We're going to go through the most pivotal, important election in the history of the country without any written documents from any party that have a costed, budgeted outline of how they're going to do it. And, you know, let's think of your own, think of your own businesses, think of your own life. No contingency plans.
So there's not going to be like, if this happens, we're going to go here if this happens, you know, because we can say so that I know what's going to happen. Someone's going to watch this and they're going to write, but the tariffs, we can't plan because of the tariffs.
But shouldn't we be planning more because of the terrorists?
[00:09:17] Speaker A: No, I would agree with you, and I think that that would be a lame, that would be a really thin branch to walk out on because, yeah, we need a plan that has room for contingency and has a plan for this obvious moment in our economy and our sovereignty.
[00:09:34] Speaker B: Yeah, would have been nice, would have been nice last night or a couple nights ago if someone would have said, look at the book. Yeah, wouldn't it be great if someone would have said, when I'm done, we can talk tonight, but we only have, you know, an hour, two hours to talk. And quite frankly, there's a lot of questions, there's a lot of soundbite debates, which, which I want to talk about that in a minute. Because the mainstream media was very interesting last night in their commentary on the debate. I thought that was really interesting. But the. But wouldn't have been nice if someone would have said, just look at my book. It's spelled out in 100 pages. You can see how I'm going to in this scenario, if this happens and we're totally isolated and the tariffs are fully on for the next four years, what's going to happen? And if this happens and we only have so many tariffs, I'm going to do this. And where's the money going to come from? Because quite frankly, we're already at a $60 billion deficit. So we're already, you know, let's not, let's rehash the past because I don't want to, you know, there has to.
[00:10:34] Speaker A: Be a strategy in place that is addressing that.
[00:10:36] Speaker B: Well, it's funny because in, in the book that Jean Krem put out at that time, he did talk about, you know, basically we're here and I'm going to do this to go here. Right. So, you know, he, he said this is the, this is what I would be accepting if I'm elected. And therefore, if I accept this scenario, this condition we're in, that I'm going to do the following things. Right. And you know, Brian Mulroney did it.
[00:11:03] Speaker A: He set the tone. The blue book arrived.
[00:11:05] Speaker B: Yes.
[00:11:06] Speaker A: And I, to be honest with you, I don't remember much about the blue book. But if they wanted to make it something that was usable for Canadians, now it's. So the technology is there. It could be instantly translated into any language, which is something that we've now got the benefit of doing. So everybody could really have a close look at this. People who are, you know, economists that are second language to Canada could be contributing their ideas. Hey, this doesn't work because, you know, people that are looking for the certain kinds of employment and work would know more about what our plan is. They could become planned immigrants to Canada, supporting our economy and supporting our country. A plan just seems like a good idea. Do you think they'll deliver one?
[00:11:53] Speaker B: Anybody?
No.
And if they do, I think they're going to do it a couple days before.
[00:11:59] Speaker A: Right.
[00:11:59] Speaker B: Because we're in Easter, you know, Easter weekend, everyone's busy. We're going to come out Easter weekend. Everyone's got a lot of stuff to do for the end of April and.
[00:12:09] Speaker A: No, I mean show us your plan today. Yeah, don't show it to us two days before. Nobody's going to like that. Nobody's going to feel comfortable with that. No, we do have a plan. Here it is. You got to vote in two days. Even now, 10 days out.
[00:12:21] Speaker B: Here's a novel concept. Right. You know, Shara mentioned few days ago, you know, about elections, you know, let's have mandatory voting days. Y we have a bunch of stat holidays in Canada. Let's have a stat holiday for an election like they do in other countries, so we can get them. Where I came from, we have a stat holiday when you go for to forget. What's more important than a vote? Yeah, right.
[00:12:44] Speaker A: No, there's many stat holidays I can't even define in any way. This is not a bad idea. Yeah.
[00:12:49] Speaker B: We have, we celebrate stat holidays for the monarchy.
[00:12:53] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:12:53] Speaker B: Why don't we celebrate. Celebrate stat holidays for votes. But you know, so fast forward, you know, why don't we have a date that your platform costed has to be submitted? Like why don't, why don't we agree that we're going to have so many days out from an election. So we have a time frame for an election. So you know, whatever it is, but whatever we decide as that time frame, why don't we agree that there is a written document prepared by each party so many days before so people can read it to actively learn to vote for someone. Right.
[00:13:30] Speaker A: That makes good sense. I mean, I'm less concerned about your security clearance and your financials personally than I am with your plan. I don't care what you've done with your life.
[00:13:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:38] Speaker A: To some degree.
[00:13:40] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: I want to know what you're going to do with mine.
[00:13:42] Speaker B: Yeah. Only we all do. We all do. You know, and it was interesting, you know, get to that now. But the mainstream media last night, so we watched after the, after the debate and we're sitting there listening to it and they're, they're sitting there, you know, again, foreheads on the screen. You know, it was an okay debate. There were, you know, no one really won or lost, but you know, everyone's going to get great sound bites out of it, so don't bother watching it.
[00:14:11] Speaker A: Meanwhile, if you did watch it, it seemed like, I mean, I think POV did quite well. I think that I didn't. You and I had this discussion. I, I like the look of Mark Carney, by the way. I think he does have that, that Prime Minister look. I don't understand anything this guy says. No, it's like listening to Robin Williams. I mean, he starts at one place and next thing you know you're on, you're on Mars. Which I, I don't know if he loses his train of thought, if he's avoiding questions or the actual topic. I got lost.
[00:14:47] Speaker B: But wouldn't. Oh yeah, I agree. And you know, would that be a. Again, you know, I'm coming back to this, this platform. Isn't that another reason why we need a platform? You know, you're not always going to get, you know, great leaders sometimes aren't always the Best orators, but they are the best planners. So you really need, you know, in the top leaders in our communities. I've met some of them, and they're not great public speakers. That's just what it is. You're right in. When you listen to him speak, it's very circular. It's hard to understand. You know, he kind of starts in one place, ends up in another. You really don't understand the plan or where he's going with a lot of things and the details aren't really there. And most of the things he does.
[00:15:30] Speaker A: I mean, he delivers it in a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful cigar box.
[00:15:34] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:15:34] Speaker A: Every time I, I get that, it's like, nicely delivered, but I find I get lost a little bit. I mean, you know what? I do like it with the book idea if Char's there with her red book and I'm here with my blue book. Actually, let's trade books for a second.
First of all, what we noticed in Mulroney's, and maybe I'm wr about this, we saw a different kind of conservative party come out of that book. When Mulroney put it out, it was, look, we understand we can't just talk in sound bites that sound aggressive. We have a plan that includes every Canadian. And it gave that more human, I guess, sheen to the party overall.
[00:16:17] Speaker B: Well, yeah. And it also held them accountable, had him accountable. I was just going to say the same thing. Would it be great, Wouldn't it be great that at the end of the day, you're voting for a government that you can go back to in the end of their term, the first term, second term, whatever it is, and say, how did you do? Like, how did you do against what you told us you were going to do? Where are we at? And isn't. Isn't that the job of government? Isn't that the. Isn't that what they're there to do?
[00:16:41] Speaker A: Well, to that point, if we're both sitting here at debate time, you've got your book and I've got my book, and I'm saying to you, by the way, I've also got a copy of your book, and you're saying this, this is nonsense chart. Now we all can reference what that debate is about.
[00:16:55] Speaker B: Yeah, yeah.
[00:16:56] Speaker A: The issues are actual, not moment. Like, not spur of the moment, not based on the news of the day or the last sound bite or something the polls said, for God's sake.
[00:17:08] Speaker B: Yeah. Well, you know, I would love, you know, I would love to. A couple things I would love to learn right now. So I'd love to know going into this vote, which I'm not going to get.
We're at 60 billion in deficits on an annual basis. We have a huge debt in the country.
What is your plan? Where are we going? You know, let's put some benchmarks together on where we're going to be in four years. Right. Are we going to balance, Are we going to like, how are you going to make all this happen?
You know, let's say again with the tariff scenarios, you can make numbers of scenarios.
You know, what are you going to do with the west coast of Canada?
I don't know. You know, I don't live in the west coast of Canada, but I'm, I'm very sympathetic to where they are right now, quite frankly. You know, they are on an island from this election. They're highly subsidizing the rest of Canada. They're sitting there watching it and I'm saying to myself, where are they going to be? So what is your plan with, with Western Canada and how are we going to bring them into and keep them in Canada and what are we going to do going forward with all our resources that they feel comfortable and they want to participate? And so, you know, that's a question that's sitting out there. It hasn't been answered really well, I think, you know, and again everyone I've told them my views, you know, where I'd like the party I like right now is conservative. But I think one of the things I do like about Polly and I do like about the party is they've been very clear in their plan. I wish they would cost their plan and I could see their plan on paper more distinctly. But I do like, you know, some of the policies that he's coming. I think he's been, I think he's been clearer with the policies of his party than they, you know, the other parties have been.
[00:19:00] Speaker A: I would say that, I mean you can find that point form on their web on their website. Not costed but it is. Those are not unreasonable requests. And 10 days out from an election. I'm sorry, you're not getting those.
[00:19:13] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:14] Speaker A: Now what?
[00:19:15] Speaker B: Now what?
Well, you know what. Yes, it's a beauty contest. I guess we're into a beauty, a little bit of a beauty contest. So now we're going to ask people to think about it. If you put it in perspective in your own life so you know, you're going to make a major purchase, you know, you're going to vote, you're going to then without a Contract without any seeing anything or reading anything. And then you're kind of blind faith. We're hoping that it turns out.
[00:19:43] Speaker A: Well, maybe you're not interested in this unofficial poll from my home, but I asked at dinner last night if it was just based on this being a beauty pageant, which, which would you vote for? And we would be. We would have Prime Minister JAG meeting.
That was the. Based on. Based on the beauty effect in my house.
Not for politics, just for looks. We put up all the pictures and JAG meat saying, congratulations, you were the beauty pageant winner. But you're right, if we don't have.
It's not much different. I've got to feel about this person. They look like somebody. I've heard their voice. It feels we know nothing of what, of what they are.
[00:20:26] Speaker B: Yeah, I've watched the commercials.
[00:20:28] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:20:29] Speaker B: So, you know, and it's interesting. I don't know. That was up. Yeah. If you're watching the, the commercials now are softening. So it's interesting now. So, you know, we had the hardcore. We had the hardcore commercials where they were all attacking each other, you know, the evil. You know, they were calling each other evil. Now we're going into.
[00:20:47] Speaker A: It's family album time.
[00:20:48] Speaker B: Yeah, it's family album time. You know. Yeah. I'm, you know, I'm going to take on Trump. I'm going to do well for Canada again. I get it. You know, but we have to get past. Same thing as we talked about the other day on polls. We have to get past and get into the substance.
[00:21:04] Speaker A: Yeah.
[00:21:04] Speaker B: And I think again, we're still missing it. It's a shame that we are because I think we had lots of time to put that together.
[00:21:12] Speaker A: You gave them a chance just now. You said chat GPT. At least, you know, till the end of the day, guys. And then after that we don't want to know. It's too late. Okay, listen, thank you both for the time again today. Don't forget to like and subscribe. We will be in different digs. We've decided to continue on with this. So please share with a friend and, and communicate with us. We're not afraid to, to hear your opinion and we actually, in fact, love it. Thank you both very much. We'll see you next time. Oh, by the way, here's a little sign for this week. You might want to screen cap this and share it with your friends. That's right. This is the new sign for the week. We protest every week about something. Thanks. Appreciate it.
[00:21:52] Speaker B: Thanks again.
[00:21:53] Speaker A: See you.
